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Tuesday, February 4, 2020

Pat Carson on Reddit LetsNotMeet

https://www.reddit.com/r/LetsNotMeet/comments/2vxopn/the_horse_ranch/

"I got married when I was 19 and my husband and I had no clue what to do with our new life together. We dropped out of college and our studio apartment was too expensive. We thought it was the ideal time to travel and have adventures before settling down.
We came across a post on the internet from a man who was looking for workers on his horse ranch. He would provide all meals and lodging in exchange for labour around the ranch. It looked like just the solution for us. He claimed to be very knowledgeable in trades, and would teach us to build machinery, woodworking, welding (we actually did learn to weld, which is pretty cool), etc.
The pictures were beautiful. The log cabin he built was spacious and we would have a nice big bedroom. There were lots of other people in the photos, and in our correspondence with him, he always mentioned other people and referred to himself as "we". He advertises on multiple platforms and everything looked really legit. We booked our flight.
There was nobody else there. He was in his 60's, but mentally and physically very fit. One of the first things he said to us was "I never judge people based on their past. Do you believe people can change? I sure do. " Seemed harmless enough. He took us grocery shopping and told us to pick and whatever we wanted. We immediately got the vibe that his kindness was forced and that he was being over generous.
I'm going to get right into listing the weird stuff we noticed. He built the house himself, and his bedroom had a door to the only upstairs bathroom, which didn't lock from the inside.
He would invite us into his room, and on his table was an old video camera, with about 30 little tapes strewn about.
He would always talk about how much he loved the Japanese, how he specifically marketed toward them, and had a few Japanese ladies stay in the past.
He often brought up people who had stayed with him before, and all of them had left suddenly and maybe unexpectedly.
One day, he told us to get in the truck, because we were going to the city. We were way out in the country, so it was a long ride, but he was really excited about going. He asked us to walk around and ask young people to come with us and work on the ranch. This made us super uncomfortable. We are introverts, and it just felt very odd to approach people and ask them to get in the truck. He got upset by our disapproval, so we got out and pretended to look for people to talk to. He went to talk to people on his own.
As the days went on, his welcoming nature began to give way to a very temperamental and aggressive one. I didn't really find him creepy, but intolerable. I didn't like him at all. He seemed extremely socially inept and said inappropriate things. It was also extremely apparent that he did not view women as equal , or anywhere near equal, to men.
He had military training and was a big, strong man. Cunning. Always thinking.
Now, our parents never wanted us to go. They realized it to be a potentially dangerous situation, but we thought we had done our due diligence. However, we never even thought to google this guy's name.
I get an email from my mom one day freaking out and telling me to do a google search then get on the next plane home. A quick search showed his arrest record--strangling and sexually assaulting a young woman--followed by headlines reading "Do NOT go to this horse ranch!" "This man is dangerous!" We were thoroughly creeped out, and booked a flight home.
We were then presented with the dilemma of how to tell a potentially dangerous man that we wanted to leave. I forgot to mention that he would tell us daily about how we could live there permanently and start a family. He would fantasize about Christmas's with our future children and raising them on the ranch. We thought it was established that this was a very temporary thing, and we had families back home who missed us.
This is the weirdest part for me. I made up a lie about an emergency back home, and when I told him, it was like he could see right through me. I'm convinced that he not only knew I was lying, but he knew I was going to lie about needing to leave before I even opened my mouth. This look came over him that I have never seen on a person before. He was angry, but hiding it.. he was hiding so many thoughts and emotions that I couldn't tell if I should be frightened or relieved. Before I finished my sentence, he said "when do you need to go to the airport." monotone. I told him right now.
He took us, and put on his friendliest personality, and told us that if we ever wanted to come back, he would buy our tickets. We said we would be in touch.
Just recently I googled his name again, and discovered a page, a forum, for people who had gone to his ranch. Mostly couples like us with eerily similar experiences. They spoke about how he says not to judge people on their past, the grocery store, the bathroom (and how they heard him listening behind his door during their midnight bathroom trips), the video tapes ( and how they watched them and saw young Japanese girls flexing their arms..?), looking through his search history and seeing nothing but Japanese pornography. They talk about how he would made rude remarks to the girlfriends and about creepy rituals in the woods (which we experienced. it was like a full moon ritual inside a circle drawn on the ground). They spoke about being driven to the city and asked to jump out when thin young ladies walked by, and tell them to come back to the ranch. i could go on and on.
He is still operational. This forum I found was aimed at gathering stories and preventing future visitors to the ranch. The police do not have enough evidence to convict him of anything.
I know i left a lot of creepy deets out. I didnt want this to be too long, and I'm not a great story teller. I'm unsure whether it would be appropriate to name the man or the ranch, but the blog where all the others have written about their encounters is probably much creepier than my story. We got away with much less weirdness because I don't believe I was his "type" and he may have feared my husband. If anyone is interested, i may be able to give a few hints so it can be found."

Saturday, October 5, 2019

Pat Carson aka "Ed Flynn" is at it again!

Thank you to vigilant citizens for reporting the convicted sex offender Pat Carson's Kijiji ads to us. Please report the ads and flag his ads as "scam" on Kijiji so they can get taken down.
Links: https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1456500501 , https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1464199192

Here are what the latest ads say. I've highlighted a few of the "this is Pat Carson" give way signs in red:

Need a break from city life?


"Back to nature in a setting of mostly unspoiled timberland our ranch has been in the family since 1887 . Over the years several family and friends have spent time here to decompress from the stresses of day to day life. If you can lend a hand from time to time we can Certainly put you up on the ranch . Our uncles after coming back from WW2 found the old home place a God send until they felt ready to get on with there life . But it was always nice to have a safe place to get your sanity back for them. If you are in need of such a place send us a phone number and we will talk . Located 50 km from Edmonton

We've also got this one:

Environmental Preservation; Let's make the difference.

Hey folks, it's time to walk the talk! The first picture you see, is of a three hundred year old spruce. We have been the guardians of this special place since 1887.
 Tired of urban life and want to connect with nature
 Interested in semi/off grid living? Love and respect nature, animals and the food you eat? Want to learn and apprentice for a trade?
We are located 50km northwest of Edmonton on a 160 acre homestead property that was established in 1887 by the Flynn family and proudly remains so by their descendants, even after these many years. The property is largely unspoiled boreal forest. On this property are horses, and 3 foals, should you wish to work with them or learn to ride, western A large garden, and entire property that has NEVER been treated with pesticides or chemicals at any time Large enough to plant anything we want, for own consumption/and or to sell surplus. Flora and fauna natural to the area, and some introduced by various members of the family over a period of 132 years. An arborist’s playground/study/practicum environment, a wonderland for mushroom hunters (oyster, toadstool, coral and many that I can’t name) There is game to be had during hunting season, if your meat source is important to you (deer, snow geese, ducks, A fully equipped machine/auto shop for the purpose of self-sufficiency, and in pursuit of hobbies. Should you be interested in learning and apprenticing in one of the following trades, (machinist, carpentry, heavy duty mechanic or welder) the opportunity exists here. Our goal is to develope off grid houses for those of us interested in making this our home. We also welcome trades persons who value clean living to make your home with us, on your days off. This opportunity is open to all between the ages 18 to 80, providing you are willing and able to contribute. Here you will learn the daily running of such a property, and help where help is needed according to your areas of expertise or interest. At the present time we have propagated wild indigenous plants for medical purposes
We are unable to accommodate smokers, or persons with substance abuse issues, as the safety, of our horses and all within the property are our priority. We are also uninterested in canabis farming, and we ask that individuals not use this add as an avenue for dating. (Not to say one couldn't meet someone here but it shouldn't be the primary reason for response to this add) (*note: If you talk to Pat, you'll notice he often finds a way to bring something sexual up in a judgmental, uncalled for and socially awkward way. What legitimate association would put this in their recruiting "add"? You'll also note the spelling and grammar errors galore- another telltale sign of the notorious Pat Carson, sex offender) 
Those interested may contact us (*nope, no "us", just Pat Carson, scary sex offender) to arrange an extended visit, which will help you to determine if this lifestyle is for you. Should you find that you want to make your home here, financial contribution towards the grocery bill is appreciated, or can be negotiated on an individual basis. Please be advised that there are sacred historical sites that have been used by the indegenous people of North America, for thousands of years. We have no intention of exploiting these areas for economic benefit.
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Sunday, September 15, 2019

Signs that you are dealing with sex offender PAT CARSON and not a legitimate ranch

These are not concrete clues but we have indeed found some patterns that can help people avoid ending up at Pat Carson's. As always, use your own best judgement.

Do NOT go somewhere alone or in the middle of the night. Bring a friend or two and get their opinion.

Make sure people know exactly where you are going, that you have your own way of leaving at all times, that you have a cell phone.

Do NOT travel here on your last dime with no way to return! This sadly has happened to a number of people, read the comments .

Pat Carson gives his place as a set of coordinates or geographical directions. Search Google maps and see if it is in Onoway, Alberta or near Sandy Beach. This is where Pat Carson lives and lures people out to. Google the address or call the Morinville RCMP and confirm if the address is for Pat Carson.

1) No phone number given

If you are dealing with a legitimate ranch owner inviting you out for a visit or for paid work or room and board, they should have a phone number. Google that phone number. Call the police in the area and check whose phone number it is.

Pat Carson does not give out his phone number as every time he does, we get it and post it here. That said, if you have Pat Carson's new number, please let us know so we can post it as well :)

If you are responding to an ad and they won't give you a number but instead ask for yours so they can call you.......it's probably Pat.

IF he gives you a name (he uses many aliases, the latest is "Bill O'Brian") Google the name.

2) The ad you are responding to is a) on Kijiji  and b) has many grammatical errors and misspelled words or is in broken English

Not sure why this is, but this is frequently the case. If you read the ad and it seems "off" and not like an ad that a healthy, friendly, modern human being that interacts with other humans would write.... I mean, it's probably Pat. Or Richard, his helper.

The ads also tend to mention these things: escaping the rat race, returning to a traditional way of life, heritage, homestead, helping veterans or people with PTSD, wild black currants, healing circle, "spiritual land", wild horses, preserving native land, cancer cures, healing vortex, learn a trade  etc etc etc

3) The ranch has no website or Facebook page

Or if they do, it is obvious it is new and not interacted with for years back. There are no well written, quality posts. Or it looks really substandard and strange. Reverse image search any pictures that appear there.

There are some legitimate ranches in the Onoway area and you can tell by their Facebook page, which has quality posts, pictures and reviews left by multiple people spanning back for years.

4) You talk to the person who placed the ad and they give you a bad vibe or sound creepy or ask strange or inappropriate questions that make you uncomfortable

Many people, myself included, ended up getting involved with Pat despite alarms bells ringing in my head. "Don't judge", you may think. Stop jumping to conclusions, we tell ourselves.

There is something inside all humans that responds this way to a predator. Learn to listen to your intuition.

He has a way of skirting around answering questions. Be aware of this.

If he gives you a number, it may be for a local business. Check the number.

5) No dogs are allowed

Good luck finding a functioning ranch with other animals, in Alberta, where no dogs are allowed. It seems Pat is the only one!

We suspect there is a terrifying, sorrowful and chilling reason why Pat does not want dogs sniffing around his property. 

Thursday, April 11, 2019

Convicted Sex Offender "Ed Flynn" is luring people to volunteer on his ranch in Alberta

Please read the comments, facebook threads, reddit post about Pat Carson.

His latest alias is "Ed Flynn" but he could be going as anything and changing from time to time. He stopped giving out his phone number as we'd always find it and post it here to warn people who were googling the number.

If you are talking to someone who won't give you a phone number (insists you give yours so they can call YOU from a blocked number), doesn't have a proper website, obviously please proceed with caution.

The ranch is near Sandy Beach or Onoway Alberta.

His ads are on Kijiji  and talk about offering room and board in exchange for work.

He is a scary, scary person. Go out there at your own risk.

There are other ranches in Alberta that are UNRELATED. Just do your research. It should be obvious which ones are legitimate and which ones are sketchy Pat Carson trying to lure you out into the middle of nowhere, referring to himself as "we" only to get there and realize it's just you and him (!!!)

Please continue to send us information on his activities so we can post here and warn others. Please spread the word all around the internet to keep more people safe. Thank you!

Saturday, January 25, 2014

Heffernan Heritage Homestead


The ranch is now going by a new name, which we saw coming. It is now being referred to as Heffernan Heritage Homestead. Please keep in mind that he keeps changing the name. 
It could be anything! If you know the newest name, please let us know!

We can only hope that people find info on Pat before heading out there such       as comments building on this site, letters from members of parliament (referenced at the end of this post)

"Patrick Joseph Anthony Carson, 46, is an untreated sex offender released from jail and is labelled a predator who engages in extensive planning to secure his victims. He was sentenced last year to 18 months for sexually exploiting three girls under the age of 18 outside of Edmonton. He had a previous five year sentence for picking up underage prostitutes and choking them. He will be out on the streets in six months and we do not where. We do not know what name he will use. We do not know anything about it." Source: http://openparliament.ca/debates/2003/4/1/randy-white-2/only/

Wednesday, September 19, 2012

"Patrick Joseph Anthony Carson, 46, is an untreated sex offender released from jail and is labelled a predator who engages in extensive planning to secure his victims. He was sentenced last year to 18 months for sexually exploiting three girls under the age of 18 outside of Edmonton. He had a previous five year sentence for picking up underage prostitutes and choking them. He will be out on the streets in six months and we do not where. We do not know what name he will use. We do not know anything about it."

-Randy White on Sex Offender Information Registration Act.
Source:http://openparliament.ca/debates/2003/4/1/randy-white-2/only/